Rich, Addai averaged 4.8 YPC his first year and 4.1 his second...scoring 15 touchdowns his second season. Then he started battling injuries and his productivity, understandably, slipped in his third year. He wasn't fully back in 2009 - but he still managed to score 13 touchdowns and made very solid contributions in the postseason, including the Super Bowl. The Colts drafted another RB? Sure they did - Addai is an injury risk AND the Colts have, all along, preferred a two back attack (remember Rhodes?).

Sorry Rich, calling Joseph Addai a bust may be one of the dumbest things ever posted here. It's sub-Phil stuff...and that's saying something. It's time to move on - you're dead wrong, pure and simple.

If Addai is a bust, the Forte is a monumental bust. At least Addai has a 4.1 YPC career average while Forte has a sub-4 YPC

If we use Rich's criteria for "busts" that he uses for Addai - or Anthony Gonzalez - the # of busts attributed to Jerry Angelo goes up significantly.

But Angelo is freaking awesome!

It is perhaps the easiest job for a HB in the league.

Battling injuries for 2 years? Sub 4.0 YPC for MULTIPLE years on the Colts?

Edge James (who the next year behind a crap Cardinals team went down to 3.4 YPC) had 1500 4.2 his last year there (and much better years previous)

You don't have to do much to be a good HB for the Colts. Average 4.0 and stay healthy. That's the list.

Addai doesn't make a particularly large number of big plays...so the fact taht he isn't something of a bell cow back is a problem.

Art: I will ask an exact question: If Addai was so good, why would the Colts pick Donald Brown in the 1st Round so soon after picking Addai?


Bust is probably too "harsh" ...but that is a pick the Colts would want back...How do they signify that? By drafting Donald Brown.

Now this is true. Although since if you are drafted by Bill Polian, you can't be called a bust or even a disappointment, I think my position is still safe.

Mike Doss still not a bust?

And you know I am on record as saying D. Manning is a bust even though he has certainly played alot and has even had bouts of productivity (especially on kick returns)

You can't get 3 damn years out of a first round HB? Cmon

Forte is trending badly.

Iggy, do you not think the HB playing behind Peyton Manning should, maybe, just maybe be a 4.0 YPC back?

You don't think there is a functional difference between playing behind Peyton Manning and Kyle Orton?

One more bad year by Forte though and he will be in the disappointment/bust class.

This is simply not true Iggy. I watched Olsen's catch at least twenty times. Olsen had the ball, he got both feet down and then he went to the ground. His butt hits and he still has obvious control of the ball. Then as he's rolling from his butt to his shoulders the ball gets knocked out. It's EXACTLY like Moore's two point conversion with the exception that Olsen wasn't at the goal line and never lost control of the ball and regained it before it got knocked out. Hell, the ball to Collie later in the fourth was even worse. Yet they ruled it a complete.

The only thing I can figure is that if you bobble the ball and regain control before losing it then it's a catch whereas if you maintain control before losing it, then it's incomplete. That's totally assinine. What I think it comes down to is quite simply the refs created a new rule because they so royally fucked up the call against the Raiders (in the endzone), the call against the Bucs, and the call against Olsen. I think the rules are right: two feet and the it's a catch, hit the ground with the ball in your possession and it's a catch. That simple. They're simply trying to justify some totally fucked up calls with that whole, "you have to maintain possession throughout the catch after you hit the ground" bullshit.

As to Addai, I don't really watch the Colts that much but last night, he most certainly didn't look like a bust. 13 rushes for a 77 yards for 5.9 a carry, and did you see that TD? He also caught 7 passes for another 58 yards. I also remember him totally killing the Bears in the Super Bowl.

Now, as to why the Colts got Brown, I don't know. Maybe it was because Addai was hurt that year and they felt they needed another running back to take the heat off of him. But I sure didn't see from Brown what I saw from Addai last night. Maybe Brown's the bust? I notice that Addai had a better YPC behind the great Peyton Manning than Brown did. And it's hard to argue with Addai's career 4.1 career YPC.

Outside of Rich, I feel reasonably comfortable in surmising that no one - either within or outside of the NFL - considers Joseph Addai to be a bust. Again, one of the dumbest statements put forth in recent memory.

Art, I am honored and flattered that you didn't include me in this. I know I've never chimed in on Addai at all*, but I figured if you were making a list of people you think are dumb, it would have been "Outside of Rich and mkreamer ..."
I think you're coming around to me, baby!


* Addai is not a bust. Sorry Rich.